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PhilosophyAuthor:Darkanda Viewed:  216  
who'd a thunk it   
  Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.

The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.

As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.

"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.

The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.

In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.

"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."

And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

Previously the great scientist's comments on religion -- such as "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -- have been the subject of much debate, used notably to back up arguments in favour of faith.

Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "He's fairly unequivocal as to what he's saying. There's no beating about the bush," he told AFP.

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And on the same token...


VATICAN CITY (AP) - The Vatican's chief astronomer says that believing in aliens does not contradict faith in God.

The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, says that the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones.

In an interview published Tuesday by Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Funes says that such a notion "doesn't contradict our faith" because aliens would still be God's creatures.

The interview was headlined "The extraterrestrial is my brother." Funes said that ruling out the existence of aliens would be like "putting limits" on God's creative freedom.

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Replies
5/13/2008 12:44:47 PM   From:  PapaBryant   Don't be too shocked by Einstein's letter - most people who have Asperger's Syndrome tend to gravitate towards atheism. Granted there are some notable exceptions to this rule - Steven Spielberg and Blase Pascal come to mind, but most AS sufferers are ambivolent to hostile towards religion. Which goes a long way to explaining Richard Dawkins... 
5/13/2008 7:47:20 PM   From:  Darkanda   hey now, I was diagnosed with a mild form of asperger's
5/13/2008 8:42:03 PM   From:  eddo   He didn't insult you, dumbass. but I just did.
5/13/2008 9:32:21 PM   From:  Ali   Did you quit the Navy or something?
5/14/2008 2:51:25 AM   From:  mercury   I should get some video of Collin discussing God, sometime. I'm not sure what to think about some of his ideas, but they are original ;o)
5/14/2008 3:04:42 AM   From:  PapaBryant   Dark, two of my three kids have Asperger's, so I understand the concern. My kids have both given their hearts to Jesus, so I'm not concerned for them, but the more severe the AS, the more accute the problem is. Most of the major atheistic thinkers of the last 300 years have shown traits of some form of social autism. However some of the greatest theologians have also had these traits as well. It depends on two factors, as I can tell; one is exposure to religion, the other is their relationship to their father, with the latter being the most important.  
5/14/2008 3:04:59 AM   From:  PapaBryant   DO IT, Merc!! 
5/14/2008 3:30:18 AM   From:  mercury   he's kind of camera shy... especially since I posted that one of daniel.... and really hard to engage in actual "discussion". I'll have to be sneaky and get him going on his God is an alien theory ;o)
5/14/2008 3:31:24 AM   From:  mercury   I didn't know you had kids on the spectrum, too PB. Isn't it an interesting type of parenthood?
5/14/2008 5:59:33 AM   From:  Jez   darkanda, aren't you a nihlist or something? my son has autism and is in catholic school, i can't wait to hear what he comes up with someday.
5/14/2008 1:15:11 PM   From:  doheney   does aosperger's have a genetic component?
5/14/2008 1:25:10 PM   From:  doheney   *asperger's
5/14/2008 2:34:44 PM   From:  mercury   there is a "potential" genetic connection, but they don't really know shit about where it comes from, doh.
5/15/2008 12:58:22 AM   From:  PapaBryant   A boy and a girl, Merc. Travis seems to have the more severe case, but Hannah is going through the angry phase right now. It is an... interesting... parenting experience, to say the least. Doh, it is an extremely rare condition - something like 1 in 400,000 kids, but is rising. There is rather compelling data linking mercury-based preservatives in vaccines with a rise in Autism in general, but the medical community is in full denial mode over it. 
5/15/2008 3:13:01 AM   From:  mercury   It's not all that rare anymore, PB... something like 1 in 150/160 (depending on where you find the stats) kids are being diagnosed with spectrum disorders now.... I'm not sure if that's including ADHD/ADD, though.
5/15/2008 4:07:50 AM   From:  PapaBryant   Good point Merc. Which makes the Mercury/vaccine link all the more important. Its only been since the introduction of those vaccines that this rise has occured.  
5/15/2008 4:09:01 AM   From:  PapaBryant   My stats were AS only though, not full spectrum. I think they do include ADD/ADHD in that number, but not 100% sure. 
5/15/2008 5:13:04 AM   From:  mercury   I read somewhere that California had a reduction in newly diagnosed cases, for the first time ever, the very first year after the Thimerosol was removed from the routine vaccines. Personally, I feel it's a combination of genetics and environment, but Mercury is involved, somehow.
5/15/2008 8:05:40 AM   From:  eddo   that mercury is a real bitch...
5/15/2008 8:06:08 AM   From:  eddo   (sorry to make light, but I just couldn't pass that up.) :P
5/15/2008 8:13:51 AM   From:  mercury   :P that's okay... when I first started doing all my research, I couldn't overlook the irony, either... especially since I thought all of his problems (initally) were a result of my post-partum depression.
5/15/2008 10:01:46 AM   From:  Jez   i thought the same thing, merc. have you seen the documentary 'refridgerator mothers'? it's pretty disturbing how autism was perceived in the past.
5/15/2008 11:36:14 AM   From:  mercury   I've never seen it, but I've read quite a bit about it. Our doctor was quick to assure me that I didn't cause it, and that quite possibly HE contributed to my post-partum. I don't hold it against him ;o)
5/16/2008 7:12:37 AM   From:  Power   Not even the Jews like the jews.

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